Hi Mike, Actually that is where I found the article. Interesting fact:
Petrov did a degree at McGill and worked as a researcher in astrobiology
under Hojatollah Vali, who founded the program. Back in the 1990s I helped
organize a conference with Vali and a few others and I used to visit Vali
occasionally in the 2000s. However, I don’t recall ever seeing Petrov.
Smallish world!
Roy
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 at 01:10, mikehelland @.***> wrote:
Here’s an easily accessible video by Anton Petrov on the paper:
Hi Roy @genotics I know Aephraim Steinberg, he’s at U. of T. Years ago, he was measuring negative time delays (or faster than light) tunneling… and his web page is fun.
I guess now he’s using group delay to show the weird effects that arise when one takes the “photon” picture too literally (e.g. @sahil5d’s description of light).
This kind of thing is good for the graduate students listed as authors. I did a similar experiment 25 years ago in the third lab down the hall from Steinberg’s lab. We got a 3 ns “negative time offset” before the main pulse. (This was following work on delayed pulses done ten years before.)
Steinberg et al. do a more difficult measurement (see section about systematic effects) and get 30 ns, so they beat us by a factor of ten and the data still fits theory. Good for them!
There is a well understood AC-Stark shift, but no redshift compatible with the cosmological redshift.
That’s the same old, same old, same old, same old, same old, same old stuff. 😞 🥱
Although this is good material for graduate students in experimental physics, there is no new physics to be learned from it.
Hi Louis,
I think you ought to post your response (the physics parts) to the comments
on Petrov’s commentary. He does appear to have a substantial following, and
any exposure there might lure a few critical minds into our net.
Cheers, Roy
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 at 17:40, Louis Marmet @.***> wrote:
Steinberg et al. do a more difficult measurement (see section about
systematic effects) and get 30 ns, so they beat us by a factor of ten and
the data still fits theory. Good for them!
There is a well understood AC-Stark shift, but no redshift compatible with
the cosmological redshift.
That’s the same old, same old, same old, same old, same old, same old
stuff. 😞 🥱
Although this is good material for graduate students in experimental
physics, there is no new physics to be learned from it.
Here’s an easily accessible video by Anton Petrov on the paper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ih1Ofn8k1s
Hi Mike, Actually that is where I found the article. Interesting fact: Petrov did a degree at McGill and worked as a researcher in astrobiology under Hojatollah Vali, who founded the program. Back in the 1990s I helped organize a conference with Vali and a few others and I used to visit Vali occasionally in the 2000s. However, I don’t recall ever seeing Petrov. Smallish world! Roy
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 at 01:10, mikehelland @.***> wrote:
Hi Roy @genotics I know Aephraim Steinberg, he’s at U. of T. Years ago, he was measuring negative time delays (or faster than light) tunneling… and his web page is fun. I guess now he’s using group delay to show the weird effects that arise when one takes the “photon” picture too literally (e.g. @sahil5d’s description of light).
This kind of thing is good for the graduate students listed as authors. I did a similar experiment 25 years ago in the third lab down the hall from Steinberg’s lab. We got a 3 ns “negative time offset” before the main pulse. (This was following work on delayed pulses done ten years before.)
Steinberg et al. do a more difficult measurement (see section about systematic effects) and get 30 ns, so they beat us by a factor of ten and the data still fits theory. Good for them!
There is a well understood AC-Stark shift, but no redshift compatible with the cosmological redshift. That’s the same old, same old, same old, same old, same old, same old stuff. 😞 🥱
Although this is good material for graduate students in experimental physics, there is no new physics to be learned from it.
Hi Louis, I think you ought to post your response (the physics parts) to the comments on Petrov’s commentary. He does appear to have a substantial following, and any exposure there might lure a few critical minds into our net. Cheers, Roy
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 at 17:40, Louis Marmet @.***> wrote:
Petrov has done a good job explaining the physics. My plate is already full with cosmology, I have to choose my battles…