#306 "Apeiron" archive is now on cosmology.info
The Apeiron website is now hosted on cosmology.info.
Many early members of ACG have published papers in Apeiron, from 1987 until 2018.
P.S. @genotics Roy, we may have avoided the perilous situation described by @ExpEarth Matt, but even then watch out for cyclists on Rue Saint-Denis 🤣 🤣
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We owe the reincarnation of that dissident rag to Matt’s persistent solicitousness when it comes to my well-being. But the real two-wheeled devils ply the lanes of Boul. St-Laurent! Nevertheless, I will heed your warning.
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 at 22:43, Louis Marmet @.***> wrote:
Congratulations, Roy, Louis (and I think Francois too) for an amazing job! This was a stellar rescue operation, just in the nick of time (Montreal time, that is!) It was almost like magic. Yes, Roy, now that the immediate danger has passed, please continue to have an eye out there on St. Denis and St Laurent!
For many years Apeiron was one of the primary places for alternative views of physics and cosmology to appear, maybe the top one. There were not all the author-pay journals then that we have now, where the quality can vary so widely.
I would say that the journal gradually shifts from cosmology/physics in the beginning to mostly physics in later years. So readers here in ACG might enjoy the earlier papers more. There were some notable names back then, such as Vigier, VanFlandern, Jaakkola and Louis’s dad, Paul Marmet.
Best thing to do? Start at the beginning!
This is a great service to science that you guys performed. Thank you so much and again CONGRATS !!
I cannot claim any credit, other than asking to read some of the papers! The credit goes to you Matt for reminding everyone of the value there-in, and @genotics for preserving the material and still promoting it to this day, and @RedshiftDrift for transferring the archive here.
Five-hundred and something papers. We’d best get started! :)
What are the chances of reviving Apeiron into a focused journal? Carry on where it left off. We have enough talent here to put together a legitimate review panel.
Thanks, Francois. I agree with you that we could extend it on. We certainly have the expertise here and there is even AI to help.
At the same time, the world has been turned so upside down in cosmology and publishing lately that a small journal like this may not have enough pop to it. How would the articles be distinguishable online from the sea of new information coming from the JWST and all the other new telescopes? There are so many new articles coming out ever day in both mainstream journals and alternative pay-per-publish ones. It could be helpful for ACG members trying to put their ideas into journal articles in a preliminary way possibly. It’s something to think about though. It would be nice to try to recapture the spirit of open-minded exploration that Apeiron had when Roy, Toivo Jaakkola and the others started it
@Francois-Zinserling writes: >We have enough talent here to put together a legitimate review panel.
@ExpEarth writes: >We certainly have the expertise here and there is even AI to help.
That’s all exactly what I’m worried about. And about Artificial Intelligence ? By its own nature it can only amplify the noise !
PS. I think you can dispose of the miscellaneous items, as they don’t display anyway. Thanks to you Louis for stepping up to preserve the past.
Hi Matt, Hats off to you for setting the ball rolling. Hopefully the new archive will be of service to ACG members and more. Perhaps some knowledge about how it started will explain why the focus shifted to physics so quickly. Back in 84 I had written my amateurish piece on cosmology, and in 85 visited Pecker, who introduced me to Vigier. Through that connection I made contact with Jaakkola, Broberg and Roscoe, all of whom circulated in Pecker’s orbit one way or another and even worked under his guidance. Somehow I found out about the Arp 60th birthday symposium scheduled for 1987 in Venice, so I contacted the organizer and obtained invitations for all 4 of us. During the symposium we spent time outside the sessions discussing matters that interest few other people. One evening, as we were in a ferry (not a gondola) to the Lido for the banquet, Jaakkola (I think) floated (pardon) the idea of a newsletter so we and others could exchange ideas, and even provided the name for it. I undertook to produce and circulate the newsletter, which eventually acquired a broader audience. It was even being indexed in Physics Abstracts until the powers that be decided it was too marginal. Now as to the evolution of the content. At first the contributors were restricted to our small circle, and shortly after Arp was on board, so that a variety of views on cosmology were represented. But not many other anti-BB contributors were drawn in, as they mainly did not exist. In addition, to bring something new to the table required observations and telescope time, but the BB had infected just about everyone by that time. So the next chink in the wall of physics was relativity, and plenty of dissenters could put their views on that topic on the back of an envelope, so the journal followed the path of least resistance. This is not to say that other areas of physics weren’t represented, but hardly any astronomers apart from Arp and a few others submitted papers. I do lament the fact that the journal did not stimulate more discussion on cosmology. Perhaps in a reincarnation on ACG things will be different. That said, beware of the referee process: time consuming, tedious and often fractious, it’s hard to keep referees. This is the main reason I suspended operations in about 2012 and only risked accepting an occasional item after that. Thanks to you Matt for putting forward the suggestion, and to Louis for providing the resources to salvage it. Roy
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 at 23:50, Matt Edwards @.***> wrote:
Hi Roy. Thanks and thanks also for the wonderful historical account of how Apeiron started and evolved.
I am not too surprised that Toivo Jaakkola was in at the start of it. He seemed to have a knack for distilling a wide range of ideas down to a weighty few. It was really a great loss to cosmology when he died at an early age and I’m guessing that the cosmology focus of Apeiron may have drifted away soon after that.
It’s amazing to think of how much has changed since those early days of Apeiron. How sad that Toivo, Arp, Tom VF and so many others did not live to see the beginning of the end of the Big Bang Theory, courtesy of the JWST.
I have often seen references to articles in Apeiron, so I think it should be available online for anyone who wants to study a different storyline, mainly for cosmology and general relativity. I’ve read a significant fraction of the Apeiron papers. Although no individual paper has ‘convinced’ me, there are ideas hidden in there that can be combined together to produce an interesting final result.
@Francois-Zinserling let me know if you find differences between the version on WayBack Machine (that you downloaded) and the ACG version of Apeiron.
Louis, After a few years of publishing, I consoled myself with the thought that there was probably a better chance of something paradigm-changing appearing in Apeiron than in the mainstream journals, where the chances are nearly nil. Roy
On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 at 15:37, Louis Marmet @.***> wrote: